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"THE PRESENT IS
THE KEY TO THE PAST"
IS CHARLES LYELL RIGHT?

Der britische Geologe Charles Lyell (1897-1875) meinte, die Gegenwart sei der Schlüssel zur Vergangenheit. Ist es nicht eher umgekehrt? Die Vergangenheit kann uns über die Ursachen von Katastrophen berichten, über die Gefahren klimatischer Veränderungen usw. Wir können aus der Vergangenheit lernen. Die Gegenwart erlaubt uns, heutige Lebewesen mit denen der Vergangenheit zu vergleichen. Aber ob das immer zielführend ist? Im Bereich von einigen Jahrmillionen mag das einen Sinn haben - aber in der tieferen Vergangenheit, als die Bedingungen extrem unterschiedlich waren zu den heutigen, ist das wohl ausgeschlossen (z.B. Kambrium, Prä-Kambrium). Insofern ist die "Aktuopaläontologie" in meinen Augen zweifelhaft, zumindest begrenzt.

The british geologist Charles Lyell (1797-1875) meant, the present would be the key to the past. I think, the past is the key to the present. The past can tell us a lot over the reasons of catastrophes, the danger of climatic changes a.s.o. We can learn of the past. The present allows us to compare recent organisms with similiar organisms of the past - but not of the deeper past, when the conditions were extremely different to now (f.e. Cambrian, Pre-Cambrian). So "actuopaleontology" is dubious in my eyes, at least bordered.

 
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Steven Horrobin Surely if the metaphor were to work the other way, it would be more: "The past is key to the future". But also we can stretch a metaphor too far. Surely they all inform us of the other.
Michael Davidson I am worried we might be heading into another end-Permian extinction.
Uwe M. Troppenz I hope that you are wrong, but I fear...
Steven Horrobin Not so much Anthropocene as Anthropocalypse eh?
Robin Joseph Boucher Steven Horrobin well now that’s coining a word! Better trademark it fast or nobs like me will start using it!
Steven Horrobin Robin Joseph Boucher Feel free, just remember you heard it here first! :)
Robin Joseph Boucher Steven Horrobin oh heck no, I will steal it and say it was my own 😂 But first I have to learn how to pronounce it!
Steven Horrobin Robin Joseph Boucher Well, I did say "remember". You can continue to do so, while "remembering" that you are telling porky pies eh?
Robin Joseph Boucher Steven Horrobin hahaha! Yes I will have to live with the guilty conscience!
Heike Leopold Maß halten, weniger Wachstum, mit der Natur achtsam umgehen - dann wären wir auf dem richtigen Weg...
Uwe M. Troppenz Heike hat recht. Aber dazu müssten sich viele Menschen und vor allem Politiker anders verhalten. Ist das zu erwarten?
Heike Leopold Wir können auch von der Basis etwas bewirken. Jeder nach seinen Möglichkeiten bei sich.
Heike Leopold Weniger Konsum, ressourcenschonende und verlangsamte Lebensweise, mehr Zeit für Herz und Seele... von der Politik erwarte ich nichts !
Uwe M. Troppenz Leider ist es wohl so. Wir können nur in unserem kleinen eigenen Bereich etwas tun. Wenn das jeder täte, wäre viel gewonnen. Aber auch hier sieht's nicht so gut aus... Deshalb soll man aber nicht den Kopf hängen lassen und (um Luther zu zitieren) noch ein Bäumchen pflanzen.
Heike Leopold Ich habe schon eine kleine Streuobstwiese gepflanzt. Auch Andreas Popp und Rico Albrecht von der Wissensmanufaktur haben für mich ein schlüssiges Konzept…siehe Plan B etc.

Lindsey Bree His statements were appropriate to the time.
Uwe M. Troppenz Right. But they were repeated until now and are the base for misunderstood so called "Aktuopaläontologie" (paleontology by comparing with recent situations and organisms). Like I wrote: this can be reasonable concerning millions of years but projected...Mehr
Lindsey Bree This precept hindered geologic interpretation of the "scablands" in Washington state for 40 years.
Uwe M. Troppenz Yes, the controversial discussion about the "Channelled Scablands" was interesting and we often see, that a theory needs decades to become accepted - like the continental drift of Alfred Wegener.. But the deeper we enter the past the more we learn to accept and to admire the extremely different organisms and their environment, their living conditions - not to compare to any others or any other periods.
Lindsey Bree Tubingen?
Lindsey Bree Did you study there or in Stuttgart? The Museum director in Stuttgart has become an ID proponent?
Uwe M. Troppenz I am not a studied scientist, but a private paleontologist. I write books, professional articles and give lectures. You can find out more about me reading my website: www.palaeontologie-troppenz.de (German/English).
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Lindsey Bree Are you an ID follower?
Uwe M. Troppenz I am only me.
Lindsey Bree You do seem to know a lot of geology and I do admire self learners. Mingle with those refugees and teach them some geology.
Uwe M. Troppenz Thank you. If you are interested in my book, please tell me.
 
Marc R. Hänsel I'd flip it around: the past is the key to the present.
Mikhail Russian Trilobites ...not the key, but the view through the keyhole...
 
John Laurie And the past is the key to the future.

Darrell G Punningham Both for the positive and for the negative. Like studying the history of military strategy in success and failure, it can be used by all sides.
 
Marc Storch Perhaps both views, the past to the present and the present to the past must be evaluated carefully. The past can show us how circumstances created outcomes, but we will never know all of the variables that led to that specific event perfectly. Likewise, as the present unrolls, we learn more and can better use that knowledge to discern past events. Neither is perfect, further clouded by our own human assumptions and hubris.
Herb Miracle no, but it is a good place to start